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 Post subject: Re: People living on the blue star?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:25 am 
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Do we know anything about the Dragonmasters officially (as in stated in the Japanese game or texts) aside the few from the games?

There're a few scattered things in the novels as well.

From the books:
SSS Vol. 1 wrote:
Laike has been traveling so long that he's lost track of time. In fact, he recalls one village where he met a family with a baby; the next time he returned, the baby had already grown into a young boy, who was similar in spirit to Dragonmaster Terius—the Dragonmaster who once journeyed to the Frozen Capital. [note: no other information besides this aside is given on Terius.]

SSS Vol. 3 wrote:
[38] The Silver Spire, the Crystal Spire, and the Magic Guild. These places were at the heart of many bards' tales that Alex was familiar with. The legendary Dragonmaster Lady Chloe [kuroe], a beastwoman, together with the Premier of the Magic Guild Miruka [miruka], and the Priest of Althena Jevron [jevuron], sealed away a "great darkness" in the Silver Spire. And another time, Cyclone Zeon [zeon] took Milenia [mireenia] and ascended the spiral staircase inside the Crystal Spire. Much later, the Gold and Silver Sisters Alicia and Laticia [arishia, rixina] each climbed to the top of the Silver and Crystal Spires.

There were so many legends about Vane, and now Alex could see the buildings and places he's only heard about in those legends before his very eyes. Luna, though, feels a bit strange, but can't quite figure out why.

[41] Nash continues his explanation about Vane. Across from the Magic Guild are the Magic Library and the Magic School. There is also a large plaza at the center of Vane. The plaza is where many of Vane's ceremonies and rituals take place. For instance, the plaza is where Dragonmaster Nike [nike] once--

Alex continues the story: where the Four Dragons were once gathered to appoint the new Dragonmaster. Dragonmaster Nike was the one who took all Four Dragons' trials at once, in that plaza.

SSS Vol. 3 wrote:
[175] The statue glowed, and the door opened. As they entered, Alex recalled what he knew about the towers. Now, the Crystal Spire, much was said about it in the stories of the old Dragonmasters. It's said that the the spire has been the subject of bards' tales since the days when Vane was first founded. It's where Cyclone Zeon saved Milenia, for instance. But, by comparison, very little has been said about the Silver Spire. During the adventures of Dragonmaster Chloe, the Silver Spire is mentioned, yet nothing is said of what lies inside the tower.

Lemina Novel wrote:
This was not the first time a group of "heroes" had come to the Guild, claiming to be on a quest to save the world--and, inevitably, seeking out the help of the Ausas with rare, powerful, and presumably free magic items. If every single costumed group coming to their doorstep were telling the truth, Lemina added, then that would mean there were now: 5 Dragonmasters, 8 groups of four heroes, dragons in every color from red, yellow, green, purple, gold, silver, and fifteen more, 6 destroyers, 3 new Magic Emperors, 9 evil dragons, 30 villages and 14 towns that had been burned to the ground, and 4 times that Lunar would have been destroyed by now.


From the Games:
SSS (Japanese), Vane Library wrote:
'Cyclone Zeon [zeon], Iron Fist Loka [roka], the Gold and Silver Twins: Alicia [arishia] and Lina [rixina], the Singing Swordsman Southern Natto [sazaan'natto], and so on and so on... The tales of the Dragonmasters are many and still being told...'

SSS (English), Vane Library wrote:
'Name any Dragonmaster and you can hear a hundred different tales of their incredible adventures. Leon, the Mighty Gale, who fought his foes with the blinding force of a hurricane... Gaull, the Iron Hand, who could fell the largest man with a single swing of his granite fists... Alicia and Laticia, twin sisters who proved that two is better than one... Natto, the Singing Swordsman, who often burst into song while decimating his enemies...'

SSS (Japanese), Blue Dragon wrote:
"Ah, sorry, sorry. That doesn't concern you. I talk too much [lit. kuchi ga karui] so I sometimes speak before thinking. Loka and Lina used to say that all the time."

SSS (English), Blue Dragon wrote:
"Guh... sorry! I'm just rambling about things you wouldn't care anything about. I've always talked too much. Secrets were not my forte... Alicia and Laticia always joked that I should be called the Blabbing Blue Dragon..."

EBC (English), Vane Library wrote:
History of the Dragonmasters | The first Dragonmaster, Louie, descended to this land from the Blue Star with the Goddess. The footprint of his very first step on Lunar can still be found somewhere in this world...

EBC (Japanese), Vane Library wrote:
History of the Dragonmasters | Together with the Goddess Althena, the one who came from the Blue Star to this world, was the first, Dragonmaster Louie [rui]. His first step is left somewhere on this world..."

EBC (English), Vane Library wrote:
Famous Dragonmasters | Some of the most popular Dragonmasters in the history of our world include: Leon, the Mighty Gale, who fought his foes with the blinding force of a hurricane. Gaull, the Iron Hand, who could fell the largest man with a single swing of his granite fists. Natto, the Singing Swordsman, who often burst into song while decimating his enemies. Dyne, the hero of the Heresy War... and Alex, the last of the Dragonmasters.

EBC (Japanese), Vane Library wrote:
Heroes, Dragonmasters | Some of the most popular Dragonmasters in history are Cyclone Zeon [shippuu zeon], Iron Fist Loka [tekken roka]... the Gold and Silver Sisters Alicia and Lina [arishia, rixina], one of the Four Heroes of the Battle of the Black Dragon, Dyne [kokuryuu sen'eki no yon'eiyuu dain], and... the last Dragonmaster Alex [aresu]..."

EB (English), Vane Library wrote:
The most popular Dragonmasters in history were: 'Cyclone' Zeon, 'Iron Fist' Loka, Dyne, and the last Dragonmaster... Alex.

EB (Japanese), Vane Library wrote:
Heroes and Dragonmasters | Among the Dragonmasters of history stand out a few of notable popularity. Cyclone Zeon, Iron Fist Loka... the Gold and Silver Sisters Asty and Liza, one of the Four Heroes who fought the Black Dragon, Dyne, and... the last Dragonmaster, Alex...

EB (English), Vane Library wrote:
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EB (Japanese), Vane Library wrote:
"History of Dragonmasters | Together with the Goddess Althena, the first Dragonmaster came to this land from the Blue Star, Dragonmaster Louie. His first step is still left somewhere on this land..."


Hm, I don't think I've ever searched through all my resources for that before. KF

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History of the Dragonmasters | The first Dragonmaster, Louie, descended to this land from the Blue Star with the Goddess. The footprint of his very first step on Lunar can still be found somewhere in this world...


In one of the games the name was Neil, not Louie. I know for a fact that in either the original games or the remakes one of the Dragonmasters was named Neil. It must have been changed later, because it was obviously a reference to Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.

I remember this because of my name, even though they used the actual spelling for Neil Armstrong. Maybe it was only in one of the US games by WD or Ubisoft. For all I know it could have been in Lunar Legend.

With all of these past Dragonsmasters, both male and female it makes no sense why they would completely derail in Dragon Song and make Jian a Dragonmaster. Or whatever he was supposed to be. A prequel with the twin Dragonmasterettes Alicia and Latishia (or Lina, wtf?) or Lady Chloe (Kuroe) would be a new spin on things.

I also think it's interesting how Millennia ends up as a character in Grandia 2.


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Silver Phoenix wrote:
In one of the games the name was Neil, not Louie. I know for a fact that in either the original games or the remakes one of the Dragonmasters was named Neil. It must have been changed later, because it was obviously a reference to Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.

No. It's always Lui / Louie. You're thinking of the interview with Ryousirow Hasukawa, who mentions that the first Dragonmaster was named Neil, and his arm was very strong. It's on the main site.

I was actually pretty shocked to find that EB really does say Lui rather than Neil. I had always assumed it was WD who had gotten the wrong Armstrong.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:22 am 
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Silver Phoenix wrote:
In one of the games the name was Neil, not Louie. I know for a fact that in either the original games or the remakes one of the Dragonmasters was named Neil. It must have been changed later, because it was obviously a reference to Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.

There was never any reference to a Dragonmaster named Neil in any of the games, Japanese or English (including all the handhelds). Alunissage is probably right that you're thinking of that interview.

Silver Phoenix wrote:
With all of these past Dragonsmasters, both male and female it makes no sense why they would completely derail in Dragon Song and make Jian a Dragonmaster. Or whatever he was supposed to be. A prequel with the twin Dragonmasterettes Alicia and Latishia (or Lina, wtf?) or Lady Chloe (Kuroe) would be a new spin on things.

Alicia/Laticia's names were changed about between the originals and remakes, and between the English and Japanese versions. Anyway, yeah, all those Dragonmasters seemed put in for flavor. Kind of like how Europe had old stories about kings and knights, Japan about samurai and nobles, etc. KF

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I have Lunar dementia, it's time for me to die. I could have sworn it ended up in one of the games, but it must have been the interview stuck in my subconcious.


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Alunissage wrote:
Silver Phoenix wrote:
In one of the games the name was Neil, not Louie. I know for a fact that in either the original games or the remakes one of the Dragonmasters was named Neil. It must have been changed later, because it was obviously a reference to Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.

No. It's always Lui / Louie. You're thinking of the interview with Ryousirow Hasukawa, who mentions that the first Dragonmaster was named Neil, and his arm was very strong. It's on the main site.

I was actually pretty shocked to find that EB really does say Lui rather than Neil. I had always assumed it was WD who had gotten the wrong Armstrong.


It could be a pun. Ever see the episode of Family Guy where Brian falls for the elderly woman he was charged with caring for after his DUI? In his song, "You've Got A Lot To See", he mentions Neil Armstrong, with Meg replying "Neil Armstrong, was he that trumpet guy?" Meg had gotten him confused with Louie Armstrong.

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Oh, I can see it being done deliberately. I was just mistaken as to by whom.


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Hmm, maybe it was another one of WD's unnecessary add-ins?


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*sigh* No, that's what I'm saying -- whatever the reason, it wasn't WD. Check the screenshots in Kizyr's list of J->E differences. The name [rui] is right there in katakana.
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I see -- I forgot to say in my comment that it was the Japanese EB that surprised me.


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Well that's just weird, especially considering the interview. Even if it was a pun it just isn't a very effective one when you consider the reference. Maybe they didn't have their facts straight?

Even stranger is how WD followed it through. I hope that reference doesn't show up in SSH, or mega facepalm.


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Well, now it's kind of established, since Dragonmaster Louie is mentioned in several of the games. So it'd be kind of strange for it to change now. The interview was done in 1999, well after WD released EB.

Heck, for all we know it could be completely coincidence that Louie Armstrong happens to be a famous name. Although the same person who gave the interview also wrote some of the in-game script. My head hurts.


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It's a riddle, wrapped inside of a puzzle, tied to an enigma. I'm sorry but I never want to play a game with Dragonmaster Louie. (Sorry Dragonmaster Lou wherever you are.)


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Silver Phoenix wrote:
Hmm, maybe it was another one of WD's unnecessary add-ins?

There's a reason I gave all the English and Japanese quotations side-by-side. KF

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Silver Phoenix wrote:
It's a riddle, wrapped inside of a puzzle, tied to an enigma. I'm sorry but I never want to play a game with Dragonmaster Louie. (Sorry Dragonmaster Lou wherever you are.)

You wouldn't be just a tad biased toward the idea of a Dragonmaster Neil instead, would you? ;)

Kiz, I was wondering, are the references to Dragonmaster Lui gendered?

It actually just occurred to me that maybe the name was changed in favor of yet another Lu- name.


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Kiz, I was wondering, are the references to Dragonmaster Lui gendered?
It actually just occurred to me that maybe the name was changed in favor of yet another Lu- name.

The book uses a specifically male pronoun, so yeah. (Where ambiguous, I usually place the original romanization or some footnote in brackets.)

Anyway, basically, Louie was mentioned in the Japanese EB, Japanese EBC, and English EBC. The English EB changed what that book said (per the quotation I gave earlier). KF

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