Is Mystere a separate character from Leo?
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:29 pm
I think maybe someone here can help me understand this.
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That explains why Leo went away. It doesn't explain where Mystere came from.ShugoHanasaki wrote:They are the same character. Leo couldn't bring himself to show his true face to the heroes after his sense of justice was revealed to be wrong. He was ashamed after finding out he had been working for the wrong side.
So I'm playing Lunar: Eternal Blue(SCD), and one NPC says something that adds support to this. It's official: Final Fantasy VI and Lunar (the series) take place in the same universeImperial Knight wrote:I'm still fond of the theory I put forth on the now long-defunct boards at LunarEB, that Mystere is in fact General Leo from FFVI in disguise.
I don't know if we ever confirmed it, but yeah I do really think that the "Lord Leo" references put in the English version were an intentional reference to FF3/6.Shinto-Cetra wrote:So I'm playing Lunar: Eternal Blue(SCD), and one NPC says something that adds support to this.
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It's official: Final Fantasy VI and Lunar (the series) take place in the same universe
Someday when I learn graphic design, I will make a glorious coat of arms for the Masked White Knight, complete with his lineage from Fulari and Kakar, to memorialize his valor and distinctness from Leo.Kizyr wrote:But Lord Leo went down in a blaze of shame. Definitely not like Mystere at all. KF
Maybe the original Magic Emperor is really Golbez from Final Fantasy IV. Their armor is more similar than FF characters that were done by both Amano and Nomura, so Amano and Kubooka could have designed the same character, but named him different names cause the whole Sega vs Nintendo culture in the 1st half of the 90's, and copyright of course. I mean both Lunar 1 and FF4 have white Dragons that are killed (Quark and Rydia's mom's Mist Dragon), a main character that has a costume change (Cecil and Alex), a female lead that gets kidnapped (Luna and Rosa), a giant mechanized weapon that threatens the world (The Grindery and Giant of Babil), sexy blonde villains (Xenobia and Barbariccia/Valvalis), a quest to go around the world collecting important items (Dragon Equipment and Crystals), evil inventors (Taben and Dr. Lugae), good inventors (Cid and Myght), party members that use whips (Rydia and Tempest, hey it's a less common RPG weapon than you might think!), party members that are useless in battle but very useful out of battle as an NPC later on (Ramus and Edward), arrogant womanizing final party member (Edge and Kyle), a once-respected leader that is impersonated by someone evil (Lemia Ausa and the King of Baron), Airships, the moon plays an important role...In terms of Shigema's theory of people retelling Lunar multiple times through different narrators, I dare say FFIV would qualify.Temzin wrote:Someday when I learn graphic design, I will make a glorious coat of arms for the Masked White Knight, complete with his lineage from Fulari and Kakar, to memorialize his valor and distinctness from Leo.Kizyr wrote:But Lord Leo went down in a blaze of shame. Definitely not like Mystere at all. KF
Bonus mask observation that probably channels into another forum but oh well:
In the original TSS, can Ghaleon really be confirmed as the Magic Emperor for most of the game? They were originally planned as seperate characters, you know. And given that TSS Ghaleon is never seen in his mask and armor by the party in person until the last battle, can we be sure that Ghaleon didn't kill the Magic Emperor the same way he did all the Dragons and mighty enemies he encounters while still in his civilian clothes, requisitioning his armor afterwards? Has the true Magic Emperor gotten a bad rap?! Tohohoho.
Normally I chalk this up to how a lot of JRPGs drew from common themes and tropes (not that tropes are bad, as TVTropes will constantly say) so there's inevitably a lot of similarities. But with FF4 and Lunar both really involving the moon in a heavy degree (no whales in Lunar though) the similarity does dip right into uncanny territory. Though part of this is also because -- especially in Japanese video game / TV / anime in the 80s/90s/00s -- borrowing ideas from other sources is kind of the norm and doesn't seem to get as bad a rap as in the US. (I can go into how borrowing from other literary sources is a longstanding thing that dates back to Heian court poetry, but, like, I don't think it's necessary to understand this point.)Shinto-Cetra wrote:I mean both Lunar 1 and FF4 have white Dragons that are killed (Quark and Rydia's mom's Mist Dragon), a main character that has a costume change (Cecil and Alex), a female lead that gets kidnapped (Luna and Rosa), a giant mechanized weapon that threatens the world (The Grindery and Giant of Babil), sexy blonde villains (Xenobia and Barbariccia/Valvalis), a quest to go around the world collecting important items (Dragon Equipment and Crystals), evil inventors (Taben and Dr. Lugae), good inventors (Cid and Myght), party members that use whips (Rydia and Tempest, hey it's a less common RPG weapon than you might think!), party members that are useless in battle but very useful out of battle as an NPC later on (Ramus and Edward), arrogant womanizing final party member (Edge and Kyle), a once-respected leader that is impersonated by someone evil (Lemia Ausa and the King of Baron), Airships, the moon plays an important role...In terms of Shigema's theory of people retelling Lunar multiple times through different narrators, I dare say FFIV would qualify.
Both FF4 and Lunar had the distinction of being my favorite game at one point in time or another so they both spoke to me in various ways, though I don't recall ever thinking the games were all that similar beyond some vague notion of being old-school RPGs. Either way I love both games. And if you want to throw in gameplay similarities, both feature five member parties instead of the more common three or four.Kizyr wrote:Normally I chalk this up to how a lot of JRPGs drew from common themes and tropes (not that tropes are bad, as TVTropes will constantly say) so there's inevitably a lot of similarities. But with FF4 and Lunar both really involving the moon in a heavy degree (no whales in Lunar though) the similarity does dip right into uncanny territory. Though part of this is also because -- especially in Japanese video game / TV / anime in the 80s/90s/00s -- borrowing ideas from other sources is kind of the norm and doesn't seem to get as bad a rap as in the US. (I can go into how borrowing from other literary sources is a longstanding thing that dates back to Heian court poetry, but, like, I don't think it's necessary to understand this point.)Shinto-Cetra wrote:I mean both Lunar 1 and FF4 have white Dragons that are killed (Quark and Rydia's mom's Mist Dragon), a main character that has a costume change (Cecil and Alex), a female lead that gets kidnapped (Luna and Rosa), a giant mechanized weapon that threatens the world (The Grindery and Giant of Babil), sexy blonde villains (Xenobia and Barbariccia/Valvalis), a quest to go around the world collecting important items (Dragon Equipment and Crystals), evil inventors (Taben and Dr. Lugae), good inventors (Cid and Myght), party members that use whips (Rydia and Tempest, hey it's a less common RPG weapon than you might think!), party members that are useless in battle but very useful out of battle as an NPC later on (Ramus and Edward), arrogant womanizing final party member (Edge and Kyle), a once-respected leader that is impersonated by someone evil (Lemia Ausa and the King of Baron), Airships, the moon plays an important role...In terms of Shigema's theory of people retelling Lunar multiple times through different narrators, I dare say FFIV would qualify.
I'm curious if FF4 fans have any particular feelings regarding Lunar? I actually never even played FF4 and the only knowledge I have about it comes from other people talking about it. KF