Beastmen

DaWrestla · Post by **DaWrestla** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:16 pm

Is it fair to say that somewhere after SSSC that the beastmen evolved horns on their heads (in EBC)?

Post by **Alunissage** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:38 pm

There are just multiple types of beastmen. Rather stupid to have all of them look the same in DS; we don't get a close look at them in Lunar 1 other than Mel and Jess, and one would expect them to look similar since they're closely related. A quote from the series' scenario creator:

22. Why are Mauri and Leo different from other people?

They're of the beastman race, like Master Mel [actually called "Admiral
Mel" in the original Japanese...] and Jessica of Lunar I. There seem to be
many types of beastmen - Jessica and Mel seem to be cat-types; Mauri and
Leo, dog-types.
Well, then, you might say, are there hippo-types and seagull-types? Umm...
that's a good question <g>.

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Incidentally, the original designs for Leo and Mauri were for them to be centaurs, but the graphics people said they'd be too hard to animate, or something like that. (Someone also said it might be unfair to Ronfar.)

Post by **Shiva Indis** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:56 pm

Or perhaps they had to respect Shining Force's monopoly on centaur PCs.

Very, very interesting though... where did you hear about that??

I did feel that Lunar DS fell short in beastfolk variety. In Lunar 1 they come in so many shapes. The donkey-type ones you see in Meribia stand out to me.

DaWrestla · Post by **DaWrestla** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:56 pm

Haha! Thanks for the answer. It's one of the few questions I've asked regarding Lunar that has an immediate and easy to understand resolution.

Post by **Alunissage** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:05 pm

I think it's in the interviews in the Lunar I+II artbook which Temzin translated; the translations are up on the main site. The artbook itself shows those early drawings.

Post by **GhaleonOne** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:18 pm

http://www.lunar-net.com/interviews/lunaripii.php

That's the link to the artbook interviews. Definately good stuff.

phyco126 · Post by **phyco126** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:48 pm

Well, I wondered the same myself, but I think sprites are shown with horns in SSSC as well.

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:36 pm

DS Spoiler

[spoiler]Funny thing about DS...there's only ONE fairy shown, and only then post game. And it's Titus, the 'Priest of Althena' as he calls himself. But he knows far more then other priests. Makes me wonder what the Fae really are...[/spoiler]

Post by **Alunissage** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:31 am

What on earth are you talking about? Are you reading "sprite" as "fairy" for some reason?

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:39 am

Yeah. Sprite, Fairy, same difference. ...though I could've sworn in EBC's Ghaleon's Garden, the first one you see said 'don't tease the fairies, they're sensitive creatures'. At which point, you have the option of 'they can handle teasing' or 'I won't.' And if you say they can handle teasing, the fairy says, "Ghaleon's gonna kick your ass if you do!"

Post by **Alunissage** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:41 am

No, not in this context. Sprite = ingame graphical representation of a character. Phyco's saying that even the beastmen in SSSC had horns.

phyco126 · Post by **phyco126** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:56 am

You know, it took me a long time to get what you two where talking about, only to realize that you just mistook the use of "sprite" for fairy. Heh, I suppose I really should have said "I thought I saw beastmen sprites in SSSC that have horns."

Ardekh · Post by **Ardekh** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:23 pm

You did; and in Lunar Legend, too. No evolution, just different types of people. Mauri and Leo are siblings, so they'd both have horns, but it's not like Jessica's going to have a horn if Mel didn't.

Also, Gwyn's a beastman, and he's in EBC, and he has no horn.

Post by **Alunissage** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:18 am

I'm kind of sorry they couldn't implement the original idea of Leo and Mauri being centaurs. But then, I don't know how well four legs would work on a ship, let alone as a Defender of Justice.

Ardekh · Post by **Ardekh** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:21 am

I'm not; that would really change what beastmen are. How they are, they're a different species, but more like a different race. Inter-matable, pretty much the same as humans, except for a few outward attributes. If they were centaurs, that would be kind of weird...especially for Ronfar and Mauri. :shock:

Post by **Alunissage** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:54 am

That was one of the comments about not doing it, that it would have been rather unfair to Ronfar. It's a little odd, yeah, since beastmen were already defined in TSS as being interchangeable with humans. I don't really think the centaur idea fits in with Lunar so well; heck, it seemed really strange to me to even have horses in SSSC. It would have been kind of neat to see a centaur in an RPG in general, though.

Post by **Rune Lai** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:25 am

It's not a traditional RPG, but the Shining Force series has used centaurs as a mainstay in the player's combat units. Some of the other Shining games have also used centaurs, but the Force sub-series has made the most use of them. I love the Shining centaurs, since they essentially take a knight and his horse an make them one entity. The vast majority of Shining centaurs are knights, and the few that aren't are generally archers. Their mobility from being able to run on four legs makes them great units on the open plains.

Ardekh · Post by **Ardekh** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:59 pm

If there was a centaur in Lunar, I think that'd be neat, but just not as a beastman. Centaurs are interesting.

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