Did anyone ever figure out if these guys were related to Zophar somehow?
What they change Xiphos into certainly looks like something Zophar would dream up...
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Crud, thanks for reminding me. I had a bunch of thoughts about that as I was playing that section that I never wrote up and have now probably forgotten. I'll have to replay it and see if they come back to mind. I don't think we had much discussion on it here, strangely enough, though I might have missed it.
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I'm sorry if this topic is too outdated, but I decided to start Harmony again today and was like (Oh yeah...Black star...I forgot all about that) I also first thought Zophar as well ^^;;; Any ideas? Background?
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Re: 5 Princes of the Black Star
Okay... bumping this for my own question
What all do we know about the Princes of the Black Star and the Black Star itself? I get that the Princes are some raw elemental power concentrated into the forms we see in the Dyne segment at the start of Silver Star Harmony. But is that about it?
And recalling Ghaleon's comment about the course of the Black Star after you beat Eiphel, creates the implication that the Black Star itself is a celestial object of some kind that passes Lunar every so often. This seem about right?
What all do we know about the Princes of the Black Star and the Black Star itself? I get that the Princes are some raw elemental power concentrated into the forms we see in the Dyne segment at the start of Silver Star Harmony. But is that about it?
And recalling Ghaleon's comment about the course of the Black Star after you beat Eiphel, creates the implication that the Black Star itself is a celestial object of some kind that passes Lunar every so often. This seem about right?
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^ Can't speak to the rest, but the last part sounds right. Ghaleon mentions that the Black Star will collide with Lunar. That makes it something from space - anything from an asteroid to a planet. Somehow that gets averted; AFAIK, it's never clarified how in the game. (Big caveat: I never finished SSH, as my copy was glitched at the Blue Dragon.)
Side note: Is there any chance that the Black Star stuff intersects with the original TSS idea that Dyne had to fight an insane Black Dragon? I hadn't thought of the coincidence before, but there may be a through-line between Black Dragon and Black Star.
Second side note: I could also see those first minutes of SSH being a little loose story-wise, since it turns out to be a story Alex's dad is telling the kids. It doesn't seem like Lunar would make Alex's dad an intentionally unreliable storyteller, but it's always possible he didn't have all the details, or quite the right details.
Side note: Is there any chance that the Black Star stuff intersects with the original TSS idea that Dyne had to fight an insane Black Dragon? I hadn't thought of the coincidence before, but there may be a through-line between Black Dragon and Black Star.
Second side note: I could also see those first minutes of SSH being a little loose story-wise, since it turns out to be a story Alex's dad is telling the kids. It doesn't seem like Lunar would make Alex's dad an intentionally unreliable storyteller, but it's always possible he didn't have all the details, or quite the right details.
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Ugh, I still need to finish that in English. I didn't really feel that the the Black Star stuff intersected with the idea of Dyne fighting the insane Black Dragon, but there's a book in Damon's spire that says the Four Heroes arose to save Althena from a demigod, after her human form had grown weak. Or something like that.
I didn't think of the Black Star as being a literal celestial body, but reading my transcription of the dialogue, Ghaleon does refer to it that way. It would be interesting to find out what it says in Japanese.
I didn't think of the Black Star as being a literal celestial body, but reading my transcription of the dialogue, Ghaleon does refer to it that way. It would be interesting to find out what it says in Japanese.
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Re: 5 Princes of the Black Star
So the new Dyne segment might've been inspired by that particular book... Interesting thoughtAlunissage wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:36 am Ugh, I still need to finish that in English. I didn't really feel that the the Black Star stuff intersected with the idea of Dyne fighting the insane Black Dragon, but there's a book in Damon's spire that says the Four Heroes arose to save Althena from a demigod, after her human form had grown weak. Or something like that.
I'm curious myself now thanks to you.I didn't think of the Black Star as being a literal celestial body, but reading my transcription of the dialogue, Ghaleon does refer to it that way. It would be interesting to find out what it says in Japanese.
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Sometime in the next year I'd love to do a replay through all of Lunar from start-to-finish, I think it's been at least 8 years since I last played a Lunar game. Also even now my Japanese is far better than it was the last time I played any of the Japanese games. (Still remembering how in the time between my first and second plays of Walking School Lunar, 25 years ago, I'd misread "Blue Dragon" as "Star Dragon" and that worked its way into v1 of the walkthrough...)
Anyway, as I best recall, the entire "Black Star" angle was... really underdeveloped. As in it felt so tacked on that I'm not even sure what was meant by it -- an asteroid, the Sun, the Sagittarius A supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way, etc. -- and outside of the new prologue section, I don't remember it being fleshed out anywhere else.
Anyway, as I best recall, the entire "Black Star" angle was... really underdeveloped. As in it felt so tacked on that I'm not even sure what was meant by it -- an asteroid, the Sun, the Sagittarius A supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way, etc. -- and outside of the new prologue section, I don't remember it being fleshed out anywhere else.
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