DeathBeforeDenial wrote:
(1)Thank God alcohol, or parents who let their children eat unhealthy never harm anyone. WAIT A SECOND!!!! Don't legislate one behavior in the name of SAFETY then ignore every other unsafe one.
(2)Also, to get Cancer from secondhand smoke requires being around it a ridiculously large amount. If you don't like that a bar or comedy club choses to allow it don't go there.
(3)It should be the right of the PRIVATE business to decide.
(4)
Werefrog wrote:Smokers may have the right to smoke... but shouldn't I have the right not to second-hand smoke?
(4)Take the time to remove yourself from circumstances and locations that have smoking.
(5)At a non-smoking business, the smokers should be courterous enough to move away from the doors, but if you don't like it politely ask them move futher from the door, if they wont talk to your boss. Fixing the problem is in your hands.
(6)Also the smoker attitude has been the exact opposite for me, the rude -Albino Baboon- have been the people who go out of their way to cough at you, or make snide remarks about how they want to live a healthy life.
(7)You're not talking about smokers, you're talking about fools. And fools will always do stupid things that spell disaster for others.
(8)You have the choice to not got to businesses that chose to allow smokers, and smoke outdoors is so dissipated, really only the oder is left, the "Breathability" of the air is not compromised.
(9)The way you alarmists make it sound, it seems like a single whif is guaranteed cancer, newsflash, you need to be getting at least the same amount of carcinogens that a smoker gets to develop any of the problems associated with smoking.
(10)However, I know numerous people who live, or have lived in apartments. When asked, only one ever had an issue with cigarette smoke, and he quickly remedied it by setting a fan near the window. I highly doubt this problem is big enought to demand this sort of legislation.
(11)...that typically doesn't inconvenience most people, and in all likelihood will not lead to your death or ailment is worth allowing the government to legislate "healthy behavior".
1. Again, me eating a 50 pounder hamburger made from 100% fat isn't going to kill anyone, nor does it cause an inconvience (aside from taking up two airplane seats.) Remember, drinking = illegal if you get drunk and are bothering people, at your house and bothering people, driving, or just walking around town doing stupid things. It's called public intoxication, banned. No different than banning public smoking.
2. Smoking is everywhere, you cannot go anywhere without being introduced to second hand smoke.
3. I think that public places that have children should be required by law to have designated smoking areas outside (Colorado law is 15 feet from entrances.) Other places, such as strip clubs, adult clubs, bars, etc, should have a right to decide for themselves, and in that respect, I agree.
4. See #2. And what about children? I'm not going to stay in my house 24/7 and keep my kids in a plastic bubble because I wanted to take them to see a movie, or take them out to eat, or take them to school.
5. Fixing the problem is in my hands? Cool, I'll just shoot them if they give me lip. Seriously though, you are right and on that point, I agree.
6. You arn't doing yourself any favors right now, you are looking no better attacking us because we don't want to deal with something out of our control. No worries though, I'm sure I'm just reading into this wrong, and I still like you.
7. Thus, I said fools. I know a great deal of smokers that don't litter. Oh, by the way, people have to often pick up butts at stores and restaurants. I had to do it, it was my job, and it was a pain in the ass to do. There is a trash-can with an ashtray 3 inches away. In that respect, there should be a $1,000,000,000,000,000 just for stupidity on that subject. Smoke all you want, just don't leave it on the ground for someone else to pick it up, when there is a trash can RIGHT -Fatal Hopper- THERE! (Same thoughts go for all trash actually.)
8. Breathability of the air? One smoker doesn't seem like much, but neither does one car. Add several thousand in a city, and you end up with bad air qualities. Smoking wouldn't make a huge impact, but in large cities, it would make a large enough one to still affect the air.
9. No, it isn't gonna give you cancer with one passing by of smoke. But people react differently than others. What if someone had severe asthma? Or an allergy? Some people get cancer from things they did once, others go their whole lives smoking 50 trillion cigs a second and they will never get cancer or die from lung disease.
10. Making it illegal to smoke in an apartment is stupid, it should be up to the owner of the apartments, just like a hotel has smoking rooms. To me, this falls into the category of invasion of privacy.
11. Not a inconvience to most people? From what I see, it inconviences most non-smokers, as evident in this thread.
Final thoughts. I have always been against banning smoking completely from the public, although I would love to see it happen. Smoking outside, I can live with, I can generally go around them by a few feet and not even smell it. Bars, clubs, come on, don't make it illegal. Now more public places that mix the old, young, and handicap, then sure, make it illegal.
Still DBD, if my right to not deal with smoke infringes on your right to smoke, it is my job to stay clear? Why is it your right takes presidence over my right? Why not YOU stay clear of me? I have rights too you know. --- I just wanted to throw that out as food for thought.