Aaron wrote:Jenner wrote:Firstly, Liberals didn't start arming themselves and forming militias against Bush. We complained and pointed out how much rubbish everything he was doing was. We spoke out, we protested. We never showed up in DC with a gun and argued with secret service. This is completely different. This manner of behavior is way more hostile than even the most insane lefties dared to tread.
Another difference is that almost every media and news source in America repeated the lies and falsehoods that were spread and repeated by the Bush Administration even when evidence to the contrary was available and more solid than the party line they fed us. Almost every media source is going to great lengths now, to spread every lie and falsehood there is about everything the Obama administration is doing. Using every little thing that happens to take up a whole news day talking about that minor distraction instead of serious issues on days he does not make a mistake.
I love the freedoms America grants us, I love the ideal of what America is meant to be, I love the concept of liberty, equality and choice. I love the ability to, at least in some small way, have a say in who is in charge and what is and isn't legal.
But, if it's unpatriotic to save my ass when a bunch of misinformed, angry, gun-toting, unemployed and resentful folks just looking for anything to vent their frustrations finally get enough people together and enough fear and alcohol pumped into them to start rampaging across the country side. Well then, I guess I do, in fact, hate America.
Not only do you brandish me with a giant Elephant, but you don't even realize that there are very VERY violent liberal groups.
Commonly referred to as "Eco-Terrorists"
Let me give you a list of a few:
Sea Shepard Conservation Society
Animal Liberation Front
Earth Liberation Front
The difference between these groups and leftist representatives and right groups and their representatives? Our representatives have not gone on national television and SUPPORTED and ENCOURAGED these acts of terrorism and murder. Prominent Members and spokes people of our political identity have not called for actions like this to be taken, have not demanded the deaths of the people they disagree with of their constituents. The conservative representatives HAVE done these things. You make a point, we have our hate groups, our killers, our mad men. But our representatives don't high five them on national television. In fact, many of our spokes people have spoken out against these atrocities from the left.
...Apparently you have forgotten about the scientist who died a year or so ago when he turned on his car in his own home and it blew up because some wacky liberal put a bomb on it.
A couple of years ago a hummer dealership was firebombed in southern California. I think we can cross the militias off that list.
Also at UCLA and UC BERKLEY there have been many fires in labs and death threats against scientist using animal test subjects.
Your fear is COMPLETELY misplaced. In a news cycle or so you'll forget all about the white-supremisist-neo-nazi-death-to-women-minorities-jews-ect militia groups.
No, my fear is not misplaced, it is a completely valid concern. Perhaps YOU have forgotten the race riots after John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King were assassinated? These groups have the goal of creating fear and uncertainty, instilling doubt and discouraging and intimidating debate. They are supposed to make people afraid, and their goal is to scare and intimidate the President, his administration, and his supporters. But hey, I'm surprised you came back to this thread. Usually your ilk just posts your "NO, YOU'RE WRONG, AND YOU HATE AMERICA, GOOD RIDDANCE" -Dung Beetle- and then wander off to post elsewhere, never returning to the thread.
Kizyr wrote:Jenner wrote:I have no illusions of America being some fragile little teapot that'll shatter the moment it's rattled a bit. I don't plan to bail just because there's a threat. But I do however, being a timid, privileged whiny little white -Borgan-, want to know I'm be able to get out if these militias actually do get worked up enough to go on a rampage and are actually affective.
I can't help but think that that's what the conservatives want to happen. They want to invoke massive rioting and try to start a second world war under the Obama administration. Because the conservatives have lost all their support and painted themselves into a corner and that's all they got, is the wingnuts supporting them.
That's what I mean about lacking perspective. The fact that this is really a small (although noticed) group of people actually arming themselves and talking about secession is lost on you--there isn't a large enough group to actually pose any realistic threat. There are tons of things that can lead up to a civil war; none of the conditions in the US add up to that.
Also, "starting a second world war" is not the same as "starting a civil war" (unless your definition of "world" only includes the US).
Huh, I didn't notice that. I have no idea why the word world is up there, I was sure I typed the word civil. It must have been a slip of concentration. I went back and fixed it, didn't mean to confuse ya. I'm not quite that unbalanced. I do believe a civil war in America would cause some disruption in many other countries around the world, but, it wouldn't be the end of the world as we know it. I'm not saying a war will happen, I'm just saying I'd like to be able to get out if it does. I got my passport, so yay.
I really don't want any trouble to break out. But, these people aren't wearing those guns to make a statement, they are wearing those guns to scare people and to push buttons. You cross a dangerous line when you replace posters with weapons. It starts looking less like respectable dissent and more like the whispers of an uprising.
I want to get a bunch of my liberal friends together with gun rights and slap guns on them and picket directly across from these idiots, see how they like it.
This isn't a game, this isn't freedom of expression. This is intimidation. This is DIFFERENT and I would say the same thing if it was my people doing it.