Halloween

[Guild_Premier_Ghaleon]

Ok, well regardless of who finds this offensive or not, thank you for sharing your work. I know I enjoyed them even if others did not. I don't understand how these little threads always seem to escalate passed a necessary point. He just wanted to share some artwork with everyone, he did us a service. We don't need to rant and rave about how offensive the material is, just accept it as an artists gift to the threads instead of making a huge case about it. All I'm going to say.

[Alunissage]

1) Posting artwork does not automatically make that artwork "a gift". It may do a service in your eyes, but in mine promulgating hideously unrealistic images is a disservice. I am not disputing his right to post it, but I am under no obligation to like it or find it appropriate.

2) Posting artwork does automatically invite commentary, both positive and negative. The artist is, of course, under no obligation to consider the commentary thoughtfully and analyze the piece to see what might provoke it rather than firing off some one-liner flippant response that ignores the content of the comment. However, ignoring criticism and heeding only compliments will hinder improvement.

[AnimeJei]

Here's the thing.. no one is saying you have to like it but you keep acting like someone is telling you too. Like I said before, I am fine with critiques, good and bad and it does help one to improve Not that it's your business but my gf makes her own choices on what to wear or anything and I only give my opinion on any article of clothing when she asks me, of course we kid about certain things but that's all a part of having some sense of humor . You make people out to look dominating just because of artwork. I have done such artworks as well at the request of friends and other artists, many female...so please I hope you are not thinking you are speaking for all females as I do not speak for all males. I draw female characters both "well endowed" and petite and hundreds of other ways, different styles because everyone IS different. Now that you have seen the piece and it offends you, you needn't click on this topic anymore. But I will not apologize for what I draw or "defend" myself any longer as I shouldn't have to because it comes to this simple thing, you don't know me and I don't know you. I appreciate and respect your critique and even more your view, even though it veered some toward my personal character, and only an assumption at that. Anyway, thanks again for looking and enjoy Halloween.

ps. please forgive any typos as it is very late and my eyes are tired.

[ilovemyguitar]

All debates over endowment aside, I have one piece of critique: shouldn't you be able to see more than just one fang on each of the girls? That seems more unnatural to me than their physical proportions.

[Benevolent_Ghaleon]

yet another subject blown out of proportion (lol pun). this is sort of like the people who flipped over Clark Gable saying "frankly, my dear, i just don't give a damn."

regardless of how far it's taken, this is only a work of fantasy. what is wrong with this? why would you care about what others consider appealing? have you pondered on the deeper meanings of your feelings on this subject? sexism (real or perceived) seems to be a subject you can find easily and you come at it like a spartan. even still, this doesn't seem to depict any degradation. they look happy. nobody is pulling their tails. they aren't being smacked with newspaper or anything. do you realise even a man is capable of finding someone or something (art, porn or whatever) attractive or arousing without first viewing it as "below" him?

i noticed you said subhuman earlier. how are we somehow above animals if we don't get to DECIDE what we're born as?

[Werefrog]

i noticed you said subhuman earlier. how are we somehow above animals if we don't get to DECIDE what we're born as?

What? I don't see how that connects with anything. What you have said makes absolutely no sense. We don't get to decide what we're born as. That's decided by 23 chromosomes from our mother and 23 chromosomes from our father. We decide what we can do with what we're born as.

[Benevolent_Ghaleon]

i noticed you said subhuman earlier. how are we somehow above animals if we don't get to DECIDE what we're born as?

What? I don't see how that connects with anything. What you have said makes absolutely no sense. We don't get to decide what we're born as. That's decided by 23 chromosomes from our mother and 23 chromosomes from our father. We decide what we can do with what we're born as.

i mean when she was originally complaining about the pictures and said something about him drawing women as subhuman pets. i'm not seeing how people are above animals if we don't even make the choice to be born human.

[ilovemyguitar]

i noticed you said subhuman earlier. how are we somehow above animals if we don't get to DECIDE what we're born as?

What? I don't see how that connects with anything. What you have said makes absolutely no sense. We don't get to decide what we're born as. That's decided by 23 chromosomes from our mother and 23 chromosomes from our father. We decide what we can do with what we're born as.

i mean when she was originally complaining about the pictures and said something about him drawing women as subhuman pets. i'm not seeing how people are above animals if we don't even make the choice to be born human.

First of all, that doesn't make any sense. Second of all, even if it did it misses the point of what Alun was saying in the first place. (Of course, I'm not entirely in agreement with Alun in the first place, but if I were to try to dispute what she said I'd have enough respect for her to at least argue points that were significant to her general statement instead of some ancillary idea like that.)

[Kizyr]

First of all, that doesn't make any sense. Second of all, even if it did it misses the point of what Alun was saying in the first place. (Of course, I'm not entirely in agreement with Alun in the first place, but if I were to try to dispute what she said I'd have enough respect for her to at least argue points that were significant to her general statement instead of some ancillary idea like that.)

I dunno, I chose to be human before I was born. Last time I chose to be an ox, but that didn't work out too well. Maybe I'll pick cat next time, but only if I can write my own captions.

But seriously, I just find it interesting that both Alun and the Guild_Premier appear to respect each other's difference of opinion, even if they do have completely different opinions on this. Given that, I see no sense in argument.

I really don't mind these sorts of drawings, though. The intent's not to make an accurate portrayal of a person, so comments like her clothing is uncomfortable have to also be reconciled with the fact that the character doesn't have human proportions to begin with. Being out-of-proportion in and of itself isn't bad (I mean, all animation is out-of-proportion to some extent).

Though there is merit to talking about how the drawing may be over-sexualized. Although I'm not sure if I quite see it that way. KF

[Nobiyuki77]

Start of a Giga Halloween pic. Cosplaying as Etna from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness.

[Alunissage]

Being out-of-proportion in and of itself isn't bad (I mean, all animation is out-of-proportion to some extent).

Which may be part of why I don't care much for animation. Although that might not bother me so much if there were at least some variation in body types, rather than resembling Barbie in both proportion and homogeneity.

[Kizyr]

Being out-of-proportion in and of itself isn't bad (I mean, all animation is out-of-proportion to some extent).

Which may be part of why I don't care much for animation. Although that might not bother me so much if there were at least some variation in body types, rather than resembling Barbie in both proportion and homogeneity.

...there's actually a really wide variety of body types expressed in animation (since it's not bound by reality, the variety is wider than that in real life). How much they resemble reality depends on what the focus is regarding expression.

The large anime eyes, for instance, came out of the fact that it's easiest to convey emotions through the eyes when animating. Wildly-colored hair evolved out of the fact that animation in its earlier days was much more expensive when a lot of detail was involved, so the easiest way to differentiate characters was via hair color.

The real problem I find is when artists copy other styles rather than trying to develop their own. KF

[phyco126]

Giga art again! Whenever I see Nobiyuki, I always hope that it is because he is posting more art. XD

As for the arguement, it's simple.

1. We all have our opinions. For me, I like the art, but I dislike big breasts, and especially disporportioned breasts drawn in anime, but I don't let it bother me too much because...
2. It's art, and the person drawn isn't REAL, therefore that person drawn feels no discomfort to anything they are wearing, or how large any part of their body may be.

[ilovemyguitar]

1. We all have our opinions. For me, I like the art, but I dislike big breasts, and especially disporportioned breasts drawn in anime, but I don't let it bother me too much because...
2. It's art, and the person drawn isn't REAL, therefore that person drawn feels no discomfort to anything they are wearing, or how large any part of their body may be.

I agree with this 100%. To me, the idea of saying the women in these drawings must be uncomfortable with their large endowments is like saying they must have headaches with their large eyes.

And as for the idea that these figures are oversexualized and objectifying to women, I just have this to say:

[Kizyr]

And as for the idea that these figures are oversexualized and objectifying to women, I just have this to say:

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[GhaleonOne]

Damnit, beaten to the punch! I'm slacking too much.

[phyco126]

Meh, the first two are alright, but that last one. Rawr. I just want to eat cerial out of the dimples of his ass. *If anyone guesses where that came from, you get a hug. *

[Boris Moskovitz]

Meh, the first two are alright, but that last one. Rawr.

Rawr rawr rawr, indeed. That's a pretty nice set of tits Borgan has, up there.

[Nobiyuki77]

Giga art again! Whenever I see Nobiyuki, I always hope that it is because he is posting more art. XD

As for the arguement, it's simple.

1. We all have our opinions. For me, I like the art, but I dislike big breasts, and especially disporportioned breasts drawn in anime, but I don't let it bother me too much because...
2. It's art, and the person drawn isn't REAL, therefore that person drawn feels no discomfort to anything they are wearing, or how large any part of their body may be.

Thank ye! ^^ And I too agree with the big-boobed bit. I like breasts as much as the next straight male or not-so-straight female, but some animes make me want to puke at the bouncing of these horribly oversized breasts...

... yes Alun, I have matured from all those years ago. Took me a while, but I did. XD

[AnimeJei]

See, this is what Halloween is about, we got some treats and some.. *glances at Borgan*..tricks?