Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

For any and all webpolls.

Who is your least favorite Character in Lunar, and why?

Poll ended at Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:47 am

Althena
0
No votes
Alex
0
No votes
Nall
0
No votes
Quark
0
No votes
Luna
0
No votes
Ramus
0
No votes
Kyle
0
No votes
Jessica
0
No votes
Nash
4
21%
Mia
0
No votes
Tempest
1
5%
Fresca
0
No votes
Xenobia
0
No votes
Royce
4
21%
Phacia
0
No votes
Laike/Dyne
0
No votes
Lemia
0
No votes
Ghaleon/Magic Emperor
0
No votes
Dragonmaster Zoc
0
No votes
Dross
0
No votes
Mel
0
No votes
Hiro
0
No votes
Ruby
0
No votes
Gwyn
0
No votes
Lucia
1
5%
Ronfar
0
No votes
Leo
0
No votes
Lemia
0
No votes
Jean
0
No votes
Nall (Lunar 2)
0
No votes
Dragonmaster Ghaleon
0
No votes
Mauri
0
No votes
Lunn
4
21%
Borgan
3
16%
Fake Althena
1
5%
Zophar
0
No votes
Star Dragon
1
5%
Blue Dragon
0
No votes
Black Dragon
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 19
User avatar
Kizyr
Keeper of Knowledge (probationary)
Posts: 7981
Joined: Wed Dec 25, 2002 7:36 am
Location: Marius Zone
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Kizyr » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:52 pm

burn321 wrote:Yeah Eternal Blue Continued, PSX was the only platform I knew it came on I got the game from my madre aha. Even if he was a difficult boss in the Sega version, the character still had no motivation for being evil. Mauri was tainted by Zophar's blood, Lunn was a jackass to begin with, the Fake Althena was vein and weak, Ghaleon (I love him but he was evil) was the Magic Emperor so duh there, Borgon was just... nothing. He had no motivation aside from a lust for power which he had achieved even before Zophar. He was just an unexplained character, I don't know I just couldn't find a scrape of respect for him, he was rape-y, and unsympathetic, and cowardly and I hated him

Honestly, I agree with a lot of this sentiment. Borgan's character arc (and how people responded) was the most difficult to really fit with the rest of the story.

Everyone in the upper echelon's of Althena's Guard had some clear motivation (Borgan included), but Borgan is the only one whose arc didn't actually resolve in any way. Consider:
  • Zophar: Evil expressed through the manipulation of humanity's greed and base desires. No redemption, only defeat.
  • False Althena: Vanity and fear of death (elaborated upon in the EB novels), which led to her manipulation by Zophar. Also no redemption; this vanity was her undoing when Zophar continued to use her.
  • Ghaleon: Not actually evil -- all his "evil" actions were to put into place the means of Zophar's eventual defeat. His redemption was Hiro's recognition of this effort.
  • Leo: Not actually evil, but rather tricked into doing Zophar's bidding. His redemption was breaking out and turning against those who manipulated him into evil. Impeccable fashion sense.
  • Mauri: Not actually evil, but rather being controlled by the blood of Zophar. Her redemption was being free from this control.
  • Lunn: Mad with power and overly ambitious, which led to him accepting Zophar's help for even greater power. He kidnapped and enslaved others, and after being defeated and accepting he was in the wrong, he accepts also that what he did was beyond redemption (at least in the US version -- the Japanese version has Jean actually forgiving him, which I don't like). So, his "redemption" wasn't something that forgave his past, but at least left him trying to contribute something to the ultimate defeat of Zophar.
  • Borgan: Jealous at others' power versus his own weakness (elaborated upon in the Lemina novel), and a desire for revenge, which led to his acceptance of Zophar's help for power that he could finally wield over others. Like Lunn, he enslaved others, but with his defeat it's as if he never really accepted or admitted how horrible the things he did was. He even was "forgiven" by Miria! He doesn't get any redemption, but (unlike Lunn) they gloss right over that and act like he didn't do anything at all by the end.

So, yeah, in my mind, Borgan was the worst of the lot. He did horrible things, was defeated, pretended like those horrible things never happened, and never was called to answer for them. He's like the classic war criminal who goes on to live out the rest of his life in a village somewhere.

Ugh, I forgot how much I hated him as a character... I actually rated Lunn as worse than Borgan when I initially answered this poll, but now I'm not so sure. KF

User avatar
Leo
BANNED
Posts: 381
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:30 pm

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Leo » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:45 am

The impression I got was that they considered him having to live the rest of his life being the piece of crap he is was punishment enough. Not just that, but even with Miria's ridiculous forgiveness and the rest of the cast moving on with their goals...what about all of the people he wronged? I would imagine that it wouldn't take long for his crimes against humanity to come back to bite him in the ass. I doubt he made it long after he lost his power.

User avatar
jay_are
Black Dragon Wizard
Posts: 481
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:52 am

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby jay_are » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:57 pm

Leo wrote:The impression I got was that they considered him having to live the rest of his life being the piece of crap he is was punishment enough. Not just that, but even with Miria's ridiculous forgiveness and the rest of the cast moving on with their goals...what about all of the people he wronged? I would imagine that it wouldn't take long for his crimes against humanity to come back to bite him in the ass. I doubt he made it long after he lost his power.


Hmmmm... Intredasting.
Maybe if this was TSS, we would have seen him getting burnt by the victims.
But since everyone else clearly got their punishment, it should still have been seen in the game.
The game tends to see Borgan as a humorous character (that Bromide.......)
.............. maaaybe he's the one that's gonna clean the trash in every city?
Maybe he will clean the public toilets if there's such a thing?
Ugh I dont know. I wouldn't even trust him with that.

User avatar
Kizyr
Keeper of Knowledge (probationary)
Posts: 7981
Joined: Wed Dec 25, 2002 7:36 am
Location: Marius Zone
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Kizyr » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:52 am

Leo wrote:The impression I got was that they considered him having to live the rest of his life being the piece of crap he is was punishment enough. Not just that, but even with Miria's ridiculous forgiveness and the rest of the cast moving on with their goals...what about all of the people he wronged? I would imagine that it wouldn't take long for his crimes against humanity to come back to bite him in the ass. I doubt he made it long after he lost his power.

I know... the more I think about it the more it bugs me. I mean, with Lunn, Jean's position was basically that he was still horrible, but she made sure he understood that he'd be dead if he ever started walking down the path of power again -- and, she basically used him in return to get the necessary skills to defeat Zophar herself. She basically turned him into a source of strength, but didn't just let him go on his merry way.

With Borgan... no one puts the same checks on him. Miria trusts him not to do wrong again, but nothing convinced me that this wasn't at least a bit naive -- I mean, Lemina still doesn't trust him, she just doesn't push the issue while Miria at least keeps her eye on him.

Lunar's not the kind of story where people take revenge. But what Borgan did was really horrible, and it's like he's just let off the hook of his own recognizance? I mean, at least toss him in jail somewhere in Vane? In real-life, war criminals or warlords, if they've lost a war, tend to either (a) retire in some remote village somewhere (if they're not picked up by the ICC), or (b) surround themselves with reporters and deny all wrongdoing. They don't jump back into the kind of society that'd seek justice... KF

User avatar
nadiaff
Burg Farmer
Posts: 8
Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:38 am
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby nadiaff » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:03 am

Vepuka the Wind Fairy!! Oh wait, that's the wrong game.... (And I don't even dislike her. She was funny. Oh WD, how you loved your fart jokes.)

To be honest, my least favorite is probably Lucia because of how obnoxiously blinded she was to everything (and because her English VA sounded like she was strung out while playing that character.) But I didn't dislike her that much. I mostly just wanted to give her a few shoulder punches and be like, "Stop that. No. Bad. Believe in your friends, dumbie." I might not be so charitable replaying the game now, though, because I've become grumpier in my dotage.

User avatar
Shiva Indis
White Dragon Knight
Posts: 934
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:59 pm
Location: Genjuukai

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Shiva Indis » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:41 pm

Kizyr wrote:Lunar's not the kind of story where people take revenge. But what Borgan did was really horrible, and it's like he's just let off the hook of his own recognizance? I mean, at least toss him in jail somewhere in Vane?

I just started imagining a fanfic where Borgan's victims come looking for him, but it would be difficult to match something like that to the tone the series usually takes. Perhaps instead, a story where someone convinces him to make amends to the people he hurt? The trouble is, Borgan isn't actually good at anything -- except possibly running his mouth. (In the Japanese version I'm not sure even that applies.)

nadiaff wrote:My least favorite is probably Lucia because of how obnoxiously blinded she was to everything (and because her English VA sounded like she was strung out while playing that character.)

Her VA bothered me too. The spacey-sounding delivery wasn't right for the character at all, since Lucia is supposed to be all business.
「まあいいけど。」

User avatar
Leo
BANNED
Posts: 381
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:30 pm

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Leo » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:18 am

He'd go into hiding but eventually be taken down like Griselda Blanco.

User avatar
ShugoHanasaki
Reza Thief
Posts: 36
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:53 am
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby ShugoHanasaki » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:50 pm

I have to say, Ramus. He was only there for a human shield despite the plot advancement. He only ever earned HP and didn't last long in the game. Plus he's kind of a putz XD
LUNAR Telegram Group Chat

https://t.me/WorldofLunar

"I'll fade away and classify myself as OBSOLETE"
- Jeff Hardy -

User avatar
Alunissage
Goddess
Posts: 6914
Joined: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:31 am
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Alunissage » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:44 am

I think I wrote a post defending Ramus at some point. He's the one who actually gets Alex to up and follow his dreams rather than just hanging around Burg. He wants to find the White Dragon and passes the Trial just as much as Alex (and Luna) does. He didn't continue on the quest, but that was fine, because he achieved his own dream of being a successful businessman. He also shows some genuine cleverness along the way, catching Brett. He's physically cowardly, but he knows his strengths and plays to those -- see all the books on business he has in the shop after he's cleared out Dross's texts on conning people. So what if he's a Hufflepuff? Not everyone can be in Gryffindor. Wait.

User avatar
Shinto-Cetra
Red Dragon Priest
Posts: 117
Joined: Wed May 01, 2013 3:49 am
Location: Straight outta the Grindery!

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Shinto-Cetra » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:42 am

Borgan and Lunn are pretty much tied. I hated both, but they got off way too easy. I would have liked to see both receive much more punishment...Maybe Mystere could help with that? :lol:

But seriously, exile them at least.

User avatar
ShugoHanasaki
Reza Thief
Posts: 36
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:53 am
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby ShugoHanasaki » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:57 pm

Lunn was alright. I liked his evil background story. I kind of wish we had more on that, More on Jeans past with him, ect ect.

Borgan was just down right creepy! But he entertained me greatly a times. I never laughed so hard at that bromide of his XD
LUNAR Telegram Group Chat

https://t.me/WorldofLunar

"I'll fade away and classify myself as OBSOLETE"
- Jeff Hardy -

User avatar
Imperial Knight
Black Dragon Wizard
Posts: 436
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:53 am
Location: Chicago

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Imperial Knight » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:15 pm

Yeah, both of their redemptions ring false to me. I feel like you need more than just "I'll be good now, I promise" after defeating them to be believable. One of the notable weak points of the story.

User avatar
ShugoHanasaki
Reza Thief
Posts: 36
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:53 am
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby ShugoHanasaki » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:06 am

Imperial Knight wrote:Yeah, both of their redemptions ring false to me. I feel like you need more than just "I'll be good now, I promise" after defeating them to be believable. One of the notable weak points of the story.


exactly this!
LUNAR Telegram Group Chat

https://t.me/WorldofLunar

"I'll fade away and classify myself as OBSOLETE"
- Jeff Hardy -

User avatar
Alunissage
Goddess
Posts: 6914
Joined: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:31 am
Contact:

Re: Least favorite Lunar 1 or Lunar 2 character

Postby Alunissage » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:28 am

The Star Dragon works better in the SegaCD Lunar 2. There are two encounters with (probably) the same person, as the Phantom Sentry atop Bandit Butte and the Star Sentry in, lemme think, the Sunken Spire. The Phantom Sentry talks with Lucia, telling her that she's early. Both encounters foreshadow the last battle.


Return to “Polls”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest